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ratigan. i'll be back next week filling in for ed schultz. up next, "hardball" starts right now. war in politics. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chuck todd in for chris matthews here in washington. leading off tonight, reselling the war. military officials are pushing to minimize the expectations for a planned troop withdrawal from afghanistan next summer. but polls show voters are turning against the war in a hurry. what does this mean? the clock is ticking for president obama to reframe the wars in afghanistan, our goals there and what success looks like. tonight we debate the president's counter insurgency strategy and whether the mission in afghanistan as defined right now is worth the blood and treasure. #. and on our other war front. the commander of american forces
in iraq said, quote, it is still yet to be determined, unquote, if that war was worth the sacrifice. a stunning statement from a top general, no less, and a top general in the war. we'll take a close look at what happened to pro football star turned army ranger pat til tillman. a new documentary chronicles his parents fight to find out the truth of what really happened. also how the 14th amendment is playing on the campaign trail. and how labor can guarantee its own supporters to vote democrats this november. but let's start with the mission in afghanistan and the selling of this war. david gregory asked general petraeus about the looming withdrawal deadline next summer. here's what the general said in an interview to be broadcast in full on "meet the press" this sunday. >> how stifling is the concept of this deadline and this washington debate to what you're
trying to do here? >> i don't find it that stifling. i'm not bowed over by the knowledge that july 2011 is out there. in fact, the president has been very clear, vice president has been very clear as well more recently that this is a date when the process begins that is conditions based. as the conditions permit, we transition tasks to afghan counter parts. >> dan served as an adviser in iraq. he's now a senior fellow at the counsel on foreign relations. and tom andrews is the national director of win without war. congressman, let me start with you. the july 2011 deadline. when the president announced that deadline. what did it mean to you. how did you interpret it? >> well, he said clearly at west point that i do not want an open-ended commitment to afghanistan. i'm not into nation building around the world. the nation i want to build is here in the united states. he said we're going to set firm and career parameters around the
u.s. commitment. now we're learning the commitment is not only soft, but can you really have a conditions-based time frame for withdrawal? it's either conditions based or we have a timetable for withdrawal. senator graham made a speech on the floor of the senate. you're trying to have it both ways politically. >> and you agree with him. >> i think he's right. >> dan singer, i want to go to what general petraeus said. we'll see more of that sunday on "meet the press." he said this deadline, i'm interpreting it as conditions based and it could mean we're bare lly withdrawing anybody at that moment in time. is that what you heard? >> yes, that's how i heard a nurnl of administration officials at the time. you had a situation where he was talking ab this deadline, and
some of the administration officials were conveying to our allies who were asking to stick it out with us in afghanistan, don't worry. it's conditions based. we'll be there for a while. but to the left-wing base and members of congress he was conveying the deadline was firm. as much as i agree with the policy and general petraeus that it should be conditions based, and there probably won't be a dramatic troop reduction in 2011, i do think there's been mixed messages here. >> i want to go to a poll number from the nbc "wall street journal" poll. only 23% were more confident. 68% were less confident. and this was across the board. this was 60, you know 71%. democrats had a little more confidence. do you think we'll see a
legitimate end the war candidate, i don't want to say an anti-war candidate in the 2012 presidential primaries? >> you're zeroing in on a very important question. it's one of the things i stay awake late at night worrying about. before we even get to 2012, if you look at some of the republicans that are going to be coming in 2010 -- >> they're not very supportive of the war. >> one, many characterize afghanistan as obama's war. two, they're worried about out of control spending and afghanistan seems to be a line item in their mind that can be cut way back. and three, when president bush was making the case for the iraq war and the afghanistan war, he framed the debate about the war, about a battle between good and evil in certain ways that really resonated with the conservative base of the republican party. president obama doesn't talk about afghanistan that way. that may be fine. that may not be the skin in which he's comfortable. he doesn't talk about him in that way. so he doesn't get that. b, he doesn't talk much about it
at all. there's no one maintaining the narrative about why it's important or what the stakes are. so i'm very worried. leave 2012 aside. i'm worried about what the next congress is going to look like. >> what about this for president obama's own politics. >> the congress, of course, in the supplemental appropriation, 102 members voted against the president getting the money. but interestingly enough, not a single democratic leadership took to the floor to support the president. not one. they're out there hearing this. the economy is on its heels. 9 1/2% unemployment. and we're nation building around the world. that's never an easy sell. but $100 billion before we even start spending the interest payments. not an easy sell in the campaign trail. >> you know, i'm going to need
to go to another part of this. dan, i want to ask you about the general's comments to our own richard engel about the war in iraq. take a listen. >> after seven and a half years, do you think that this war was worth it, that it cheachieved results and why? >> my answer to that is it's still yet to be determined. it's important to have an independent it will bring better stability here. it will improve security for the united states in the long term. >> it's still an open-ended question. if we don't get it right, it's still not worth it. >> the result we'll know in three to five years is what i've always said. >> dan, you were on the front lines of the provisional government at the time early in this iraq war when it was incredibly unpopular. what do you make of the top general saying still jet to be determined.
do you agree with him? >> well, i think that was going into iraq was a necessary part of our overall strategy, war on terrorism strategy post 9/11. it wasn't sufficient. it wasn't going to be the silver bullet. i don't think you could have had saddam hussein in power with or without weapons of mass destruction. i don't think sue dam addam hus saying, even if he didn't have the weapons in place, he had the programs active. he would be very much a destabling force in iraq vm whatever we have now, as dysfunctional as it is, and i'm extremely frustrated with it right now, it's certainly more constructive in the region than what existed. >> congressman, very quickly, is the fact that we're not sure about the war in iraq, we have a general saying that, does that make it harder for the president to sell the country on the war in afghanistan? >> i think it does.
ray odienero is at least being honest. it was a complete disaster. >> how many americans across the country if they could roll back the clock want you to go in and invade iraq? >> dan senor and tom andrews, thank you very much. coming up, football star turned dr pat tillman. there are a ton of questions and not many answers. when we return we're going to pauk to pat tillman's mother about what happened.
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there's a new documentary out next friday about the death of national football star turned army ranger pat tillman. here's a clip of the film. >> the reporter received an anonymous leak. it was a copy of a top secret personal notice. a full month before the family learned. >> the p4 memo states they must warn the president about this, because they'll be giving speeches, and they shouldn't be embarrassed if the circumstances of pat's death become public. >> he set aside a career in
athletics. >> the warnings seemed to work. in a speech given two days before the memorial service, the president avoided the very details of pat's death that his speech writers requested. >> our suspiciouses were very much validated by that p4 memo. these generals had plenty of time to make sure that we as a family were told the truth. but they chose not to tell us. >> the p4 memo showed that while america was being told about his death, the entire chain of command not only knew it was a lie but were concerned about the implications should the truth get out. >> today more than six years after his death, are there more answers or questions about what happened? we're joined now by pat tillman's mother mary. she joins us from san jose, california. i have to ask you this simple question, do you know how your son was killed in afghanistan?
>> not really. we have several stories, several versions. there's several scenarios that we can imagine. but no, we don't know exactly what happened to him. >> why do you think you don't have the real story? you think he was a political pawn? >> well, i think he was used for propaganda purposes. and i think that's kind of a frightening, frilgt anything thing to use a soldier and lie about his death to the family and to the country to propoet a patriotic feeling about a war. i think that's outrageous. >> here's more from the film which has to do with how the military was trying to push for a specific tone of his funeral. >> today three men from ft. lewis walk slowly to the house to tell his wife marie they care. in fact, the casualty assistance officers were there to compel marie to sign off on a funeral
at arlington national cemetery with full military honors. >> they were sort of pushing for a military funeral. which was not what his wishes were. >> during basic training pat had a premonition if he died he may be used as a public relations stunt. so he smuggle ad copy of his final wishes home to marie. >> i really had to push back on them. they were just sort of preceding as if this were the way things were going to happen. probably thinking that, you know, i was so grief stricken that i wouldn't -- that i would just go along with it. >> this is the first episode in a way before his body is even -- the death didn't just affect the family. this is bigger than the family. >> in his own handwriting he
said i do not want a military funeral. he was asked specifically about being buried at arlington. >> right. all the soldiers are supposed to plan for their, you know, their funerals and what they wish. his wishes were to not have a military funeral. he didn't consider himself, you know, that wasn't his identity. so that's not what he chose. >> you spent a lot of time on this trying to figure out what happened. in the best way that you can explain, what do you believe happened? what do you think happened on the battlefield to your son? and what do you think happened behind the scenes at the the pentagon, at the white house, from what you understand after all this research you've done. >> i think it needs to be clear there was really no criminal investigation.
the medical examiner in maryland was told before pat's body arrive that had he was killed in an ambush. the medical examiner was suspicious as soon as he saw the wounds. he did not believe pat was killed by the enemy. me said you can't shoot that accurate will with an ak-47. he was suspicious at that point. he asked for a criminal investigation. and the general refused, saying that they were satisfied with the information that they had. there was really no criminal investigation. so it's hard to say what happened. all the evidence was destroyed. his uniform was destroyed. they tried to burn the vest, which could not be burned. but they did try. this is evidence. rumsfeld himself sent a memo in december of 2003.
>> defense secretary at the time. >> absolutely. that he -- that the uniforms and equipment of the fallen soldier should go back to maryland, back to the medical examiner, especially in cases of suspected homicide or suicide. so the fact they destroyed the evidence is very disturbing. and the fact that the medical examiner asked for a criminal investigation and it was turned down, that's very upsetting. we don't know what happened to him exactly. but we do know that the soldiers that were in this canyon were being shot at by -- it was kind of an ambush. i believe once the soldiers in the vehicles got out of the canyon, they were no longer afraid and frightened. i think they were simply excited and they wanted to be in a fire fight, and they wanted to shoot.
and they shot up that ridge hin. they could have potentially killed all of the soldiers on the ridge line, along with civilians. i think it was probably a lust to fight, absolutely pure negligence, and no one in that situation was ever held accountable. >> have you spoken with any of the other soldiers that were with your son that day? >> yes, i have. they're all appalled. there's statements in the some of the investigations, the vehicle behind this particular vehicle, that shot at pat and the others. they were shooting so irresponsibly and so wildly they nearly shot the soldiers in the vehicle behind them. and one of the soldiers that was shot, he was the radio operator. he was wounded, seriously wounded. and he saw them shooting at them. and he tried to get them to stop
by waving his arms and, you know, to no avail. armed guards were put around him after he was taken to the hospital so he wouldn't talk because he saw he was shot at by his own men. >> more of my interview with mary tillman after this including her thoughts on john mccain and general stanley mcchrystal. with you when you're ready for the next move. [ male announcer ] now that wells fargo and wachovia have come together, what's in it for you? unprecedented strength, the stability of the leading community bank in the nation and with 12,000 atms and thousands of branches, we're with you in more ways and places than ever before. with you when you want the most from your bank. [ male announcer ] wells fargo. together we'll go far. no pills, no pain. how can you get pain relief without taking pills around the clock? try thermacare heatwraps, for all day relief without pills.
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more now with my interview mary tillman, mother of pat tillman and the author of "boots on the ground by dusk." here's another clip from the documentary about pat's death. >> it was my understanding at the time that this investigation is over. that this has been closed, they are not going to give me the
truth, it's a done deal, and that being said, there's not much i can do to force the issue. so i wrote him a lertd. i went through everything they considered to be a fact and explained to them why that is a lie, and concluded by telling them that i have low regards for them. i just wanted to tell somebody off. >> unbeknownst to pat senior, the army considered the wording of his letter to be a formal accusation of criminal misconduct. this automatically initiated a new investigation by the inspector general's office. >> i thank all of you for being here today. >> what's the next step of an investigation that you would like to see? do you want to see congress step in again? i know you have testified before
i know mccain tried to get something more done. what more do you want to see done today? well, you know, senator mccain helped us in the early stages of all of this. and we appreciated that. but once it became clear that the chain of command was very much involved in the cover up and this cover up went a lot higher than anyone expected, you know, we didn't hear much from senator mccain. i don't have a lot of regard for congress. either faction. i mean, there were brave people, of course, on that oversight committee. harry davis. he really stepped occupy the plate. i think the committee had good intentions. for whatever they chose not to hold these individuals accountable. the fact that they had our hearing and then they went and had a hearing with former secretary of defense rumsfeld,
retired general brown and meyers, i thought that was a mistake. they should have gone, you know, down, gone from the bottom up so to speak to get more information on them. and they were allowed to lie. 82 times or something they said i don't remember. i don't recall. this is a soldier that died and rumsfeld sent him a letter when he enlisted congratulating him for enlisting. then he wrote a memo to the secretary of the army say weg need to keep an eye on this guy the idea he wouldn't remember when he was killed is absolutely not believable. >> i know general mcchrystal, who was leading the war effort in afghanistan recently until he was fired by president obama was also the general that signed off on the incident report. i know that you've had some strong feelings about general
mcchrystal. just, describe what you thought the day that you found out he was fired. >> well, i mean, you know, it wasn't joyous. it was sort of like, sad, really. here's a man who, it's interesting. a lot of people look at that p4 memo and see he was trying to warn the president. if you look at that carefully -- and of course we have seen the documents. the higher ups expected this right away. so this memo is being language being couched. he's telling them ux yeah, pat was definitely killed by friendly fire, and you need to be careful about what you say if the circumstances become public. he didn't say when they become public. he said if. and you're supposed to tell a family if you suspect frat ra side, that's atocol since
vietnam. you don't have an investigation and then tell the family. you tell the family if you suspect it. you did not do that. they could have told us before the memorial service, which was on may 3rd. that memo was sent on april 29th. it's crazy. >> i know one of the motivations you have is you want people to know who the real pat tillman was. tell us, who is the real pat tillman that you think america didn't know. >> well, pat was a complicated person. you know, he was made to look like a character of some sort. he was a patriotic person. absolutely. but patriotism takes many form
ls. he was very inquisitive. people put these labels on him. oh, he liked to read. he liked to read a lot of people. he had respect for someone as courageous as thomske. people are putting labels on him that don't necessarily, that are not necessarily true. and i think that that's really unfortunate. i want to make it clear also another motivation and probably a bigger motivation for the film was the fact that pat is not alone in this situation. he had a public persona that gave us a voice that we feel we would be negligent not to exercise. you know, this type of deception and duplicity goes on all the time. and it's a systemic problem. i think this film is powerful. because it points that out. we released the book i wrote because i think it has details
that the film could not possibly address, and i'm hoping that people will take a look at it. this would be someone else eels child. >> mary tillman, thank you for joining us from san jose, california. it's a very powerful documentary. it comes out next friday. thank you. >> thank you for having me. up next, ahead of the aflcio is on the offensive. can big labor be the difference for the democrats this november? richard trum joins us next. ♪ behind cars... behind trucks... behind those guys... tailpipe... [ clucking ] ...after tailpipe after tailpipe... [ engines rev ] ...until now. ♪ the 100% electric... no-tailpipe nissan leaf. innovation for the planet. innovation for all.
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welcome back to "hardball." how much help can democratic candidates expect from unions this november? how much can they deliver. richard trumka is the president of the afl-cio. i want to show you a few poll numbers for the poll. we split it out just among union households here. union members or union households. the approval rating for the president on handling the economy. 48% approve. 46% disapprove. on which party would deal with the economic better, 34% say democrats would do better. 28% say republicans would do better. the rest say both, the same or neither. then union members say democrats 28% to 27% better. these do not seem like confident
numbers among union households about the democrats or president obama's handling of the economy. do you have your work cut out for you among your own members? >> we do. the president has done a great job. the democratic majority in the house and senate did a good job against a determined republican leadership who voted no on everything but two things. yes, they could give tax cuts to the rich and cut social security. our job is to educate the voters. come election time they'll be in the high 70s or 80% that will be voting for candidates that support workers, support jobs, and help us get the economy on track. >> your contention is simply your members don't have all the information yet. >> well, they've been bombarded with misinformation. and bad information. when we give them the facts, which we do. you'll see us vote in the high 70s or 80%.
we've been able to do it before. >> the spokesman for the president talked about the "professional left" and the criticism the president is receiving and he thought it was unfair. he, of course, stood by it. let's take a listen. >> this wasn't a mistake. this was not something you said in error. it was born out of frustration. again, i think it was born out of frustration. >> you were pretty tough on this administration during the argument over the public option, for instance, what did you make of robert's comments, and did you take offense to them? >> i think people are frustrated. they're frustrated because more is not being done. we have 15 million people that are unemploy. . we have another 10 million underemployed. people want actions. they don't want excuses. this president has done a lot of good things.
he brought the economy back from the brink of a depression. he helped us rain in wall street. he's helped us do something with health care. he's done a lot of good things. you'll see that happening very soon. >> what is it about the fact that you feel as if there's always seems to be this 30% to 40% of the labor movement that isn't necessarily ready to vote democratic these days. where do you think this message has been over the last few years sf. >> well, the it's like everybody else. we have members that are republican. we have members that are democrats. we try to support working people. unfortunately over the last several years, over the last decade or so, fewer and fewer republicans are willing to step up and support working people. they want to support the rich. they want to support corporate america. so we give them the facts. they vote in their own best
interest. that's what you'll see if you have two candidates running. one supports workers. one doesn't. they'll support the candidate that supports workers. >> if by the end of the year you do not get a vote on the employee free choice act, will that tell you you feel like you've wasted your support on this democratic congress? >> of course not. this democratic congress has done a tremendous job. they brought us back from the brink of the depression that was given to them. >> so if you don't get a vote, you'll be upset. >> we have jobs bill. we think we're going to get a vote. >> you do think you're going to get a vote? >> yea, we do. >> doesn't matter how with get it, as long as we get it. >> richard trumka on the campaign trail. thanks for joining me. the host of andrea mitchell reports and news correspondent and my good friend and colleague andrea mitchell is here. let's just try to step back a little bit. i want to start with the robert
gibbs comment for this reason. it's as if he was expressing a frustration and an exhaustion of this whole white house. put it in perspective of when you've seen other white house almost lash out at some of their own supporters. >> they have in the past, and i think robert probably is tired and frustrated. i think the velocity with the blogosphere and with twitter and all the other new forms of social media and of attack media, i think it's just that much more intrusive and more percusive. and it's tougher on this crowd. and they haven't had a break. >> are we at a moment when, do they need to bring in fresh bodies? they need to bring in fresher faces. are we at that moment or do they need to take a week or so off and get back to work? >> i don't think it's that moment. i don't sense this is like when
i was first covering jimmy carter and he called everybody up to camp david. we know how well that worked. it was never said, never stated in his of his speeches. but that's the way it was reported. i think they need some rest. this has been a very tough summer. look at what's happened this summer with the bp oi spill and two wars and the fact that they are looking forward to the handoff in iraq, but they had to face the rolling stone explosion and the command change inning afghanistan. there has been no rest. >> you brought up the command change. you saw this cratering of support for the war in afghanistan. he really only has a year, maybe three months to show progress. is that what you would say? >> they have to do something before this december review. now the december review has become so much more important. and what general petraeus is clearly doing in his interview with david gregory on "meet the
pres press", and we'll see the interview on sunday, he's asking for time. he's got political space. there's no congress in either party that will go up against david petraeus. >> the president already fired two generals. it would be tough to fired a third general. let alone one named general david petraeus. we'll sew you monday. have a good weekend. coming up, the nevada senate race takes another ugly turn as harry reid still can't shake sharron angle. we'll get into that and the other hot senate fights we're watching. plus the battle over the 14th amendment and whether republicans will lose the latino voters for decades to come. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 no more paying to access your own money. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 it'd be like every atm in the world was your atm. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 the schwab bank high yield investor checking(tm) account. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 zero atm fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 a great interest rate. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 no minimums.
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another new las vegas poll shows him hanging in there. leading sharron angle by two points. he's host of face-to-face and he's a big tweeter as well. he covers politics for associated press. let me start with the man with a goatee. i might as well start with you, john. i want to show the two ads. harry reid going after sharron angle and sharron angle having to respond. >> i've been in nevada law enforcement for 17 years. carrying a gun isn't just a part of my job, it's a constitutional right that i believe in. but sharron angle goes way over the line when she keeps saying if this congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking towards the second amendment remedies. >> it's crazy. what she's talking about is armed resistance. i'm a member of the nra and a republican. but that talk is dangerous and way too extreme. >> john, i have toe stop there.
we'll go to sharron angle's ads in a ment. but harry reid clearly decided there's not a lot of positive he can say. he's got to go ultra negative. >> there's not going to be anymore positive ads in the race, chuck. you saw the carefully scripted move by the reid campaign. crazy, extreme, dangerous. that's what they have to do to sharon angle. you may not like me. you may think i don't have much charisma, but this woman is really dangerous, extreme, even crazy. >> i want to bring this nationally, liz, we're seeing a lot of democrats use august not to beef up their positives, but to try to raise the negatives of the opponents. try to financial advantage we know democrats have race by race. it's about the only card they have to play at this point? >> sure, because their unfavorables are very, very high, particularly harry reid.
he will knows this is a referendum on him. he is well-known and fully dislike fundamental that state. the only game he has to play is to tear her down. and he's going to do that. >> sharron angle feeling the heat by the way, particularly on the issue of social security. it's something that the democrats want to talk about nationally, but harry reid began it. here's her defense on social security in a new ad. listen. >> the real social security solutions are to stop harry reid from raiding the social security trust fund. he needs that money for his own pet projects. we have a contract with our seniors who have put into social security in good faith. i'd like to save social security by locking the lockbox, putting the money back into the trust fund so the government can no longer raid our retirement. >> ah, the lockbox. the good old days of the towel campaign. john, what's interesting here is that she has this ad out, but
then apparently, yesterday referred to favorably to a system that chile uses that was a partially privatized system, now it's somewhat public. is this a case where the admakers are trying to fix her issue on social security and she hasn't gotten the memo yet? >> well, you can't change who sharron angle is, chuck. the real sharron angle was the one we saw in the primary who came on my program and said i want to phase out social security and i asked her, could it be fixed. she said it can't be fixed. she wants to privatize and said she wanted no government involvement whatsoever. immediately after the primary, reid started pounding her using her own words and suddenly she was saying i want to personalize it. finally, after weeks of hemorrhaging on this issue, right around the 100th birth day of social security, the angle team comes up with this ad. it's a pretty good ad, it turns it around and says reid is a thief stealing all the money from the social security trust
fund for his own pet projects. it's pretty clever. you used the right word. they're trying to fix what she said in the primary. >> liz, this is now part of a national strategy by democrats getting a ton of suddenly press releases and e-mails, it's the 75th anniversary of social security. it's going to be a topic the president is going to bring up this weekend. my question to you you is in our new nbc "wall street journal," democrats only had a four-point advantage on handling social security. this issue of the deficit is making at least younger voters say you've got to have a discussion about social security. >> this is about older voters. nchb in particular, a lot of retirees, arizona, a lot of the these states. this is all about two things, one is the older voters and if you're sharron angle, it's not just fixing your position on social security, it's moderating your stance. you want to prove you're not extreme. you're doing this on social security and also cancel agappearance before a tea party convention or a tea party
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>> well, that was senator reid and his typical blunt fashion this week. we are back with jon ralston and liz sed dotty. reid's remark prompted in reaction from marco rubio, a hispanic american. let's take a lis. >> and let me explain to harry reid why hispanics, americans of hispanic descented would want to be republicans. the number one issue in the hispanic community in america is economic empowerment, the desire of people to leave their children better off than themselves. the agenda that he supports is trying to destroy the american free enterprise system. that's why hispanics should be republicans. >> all right, jon ralston, it was clear, larry and marco rubio are talking past each yoer. rubio wants to talk about the economy and claim that's what hispanics are talking about first and harry reid is clearly referring to the immigration debate, at that point it was the 14th amendment and birth right citizenship. what can you tell me about what
hispanics in nevada care the most about right now? >> well, they care about the economy, and that's the real problem for harry reid and as liz mentioned, this is a problem for democrats all around the country. on the other hand, sharron angle's positions on the 14th anticipate, her use of the term anchor baby, her support for the arizona law, has turned a lot of the hispanics off. now, what's really ironic, of course, chuck about, his comments, about reid's comments is his son is running for governor against who? a hispanic republican by the name of brian san devalue. and that hispanic republican, by the way, is someone that harry reid saw was appointed to the federal bench a few years ago. why? because harry reid didn't want a hispanic republican running against him. this all becomes circular in nevada. marco rubio is making the argument that really is damaging for someone like with a certain percentage of hispanic voters. but i don't think in the long run this issue is about reid
being hurt with hispanics as much as the reinforcement of him being you used the term blunt which i thought was kind, him being a little clumsy in how he phrases things. >> liz this issue of the 14th amendment coming up and sort of the rhetoric from conservatives to on the issue of immigration, democrats think they have a wedge here. is there any evidence yet? >> no, immigration is a mind field for both parties and you know, neerths one of them want to be talking about this issue, but republicans in primaries think they actually are making some headway in being very hard line on immigration. in general election, it's going to come back and bite them. >> one wonders when jk's primary is over what the rhetoric will be like between john mccain, john kill and i had to take the last word. i know. i'm the one hosting. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. right now it's time for "the ed show" with ed schulze.